1. You have an existing actively managed pharma sector PMS. Can you please explain the positioning of the fund?

We split the healthcare businesses into 5 buckets as follows:

  1. Companies focused on unbranded market exports of pharmaceuticals
  2. Companies focused on branded market for pharmaceuticals
  3. Contract research and manufacturing companies / API and chemical manufacturers
  4. Hospital chains and standalone hospital units
  5. Diagnostic chains

We believe that the runway for profitable growth is higher and more predictable for buckets “B”, “C”, “D” and “E” when compared to bucket “A”. However, when we look at the index, ~60% of the weight is indexed to companies that can be classified under bucket “A”.

 

Our experience suggests that investors reward consistency and growth in cash flows of companies. Hence, we believe that companies that exhibited lower volatility and better Return on Equity (RoE) over a period of time would be appreciated more by investors. As we can see in the chart above Healthcare Global (HCG)(“D”), Dr. Lal Pathlabs (Dr. Lal) (“E”), JB Chemicals (“B”) and Syngene (“C”) have delivered consistent cash flows over time and have been rewarded accordingly by shareholders. On the other hand, Sun Pharma (“A”) which is largely dependent on unbranded generics has seen high volatility in cash flows and the stock has underperformed.

For our Healthcare PMS, we primarily currently allocate 13% weight in bucket A (vs 42% in index), 33% in bucket B (vs 30% in Index), 33% in bucket C (vs 20% in index).

2. As part of the asset allocation for sector bets, should you go for actively managed PMS or Mutual funds?

In our view, the actively managed PMS like InCred Healthcare portfolio have a differentiated offering vs the mutual funds in the similar space. This is largely a function of having the agility to select the right companies to invest in, regardless of the market capitalization or available liquidity. Since, most of the large caps have unbranded generics dominated cash flows, the ability to invest in better quality cash flows is higher when the fund can invest in small and midcap healthcare companies.

3. What kind of companies do you select in your Pharma Fund?

We select companies based on our proprietary research framework. We evaluate each company on 5 quantitative and 5 qualitative criteria. We score companies on each of these criteria and then sum up the total score. Then we overlay the score with a valuation based criteria to select the companies that would be there in the portfolio. We also spend a lot of time debating and deciding on the weights of the stocks. More often than not, we end up buying companies with an honest and competent management and a sticky source of cash flow with higher than average return on invested capital.

Quantitative

  • Return on Invested Capital (ROIC) versus Weighted average Cost of Capital (WACC)
  • Quality of Capital Structure
  • Cash Flow Adequacy
  • Debt Covenants
  • Earnings Growth

Qualitative

  • Competitive Advantage (s)
  • Pricing power
  • Character of Management
  • Alignment of Interest with minority shareholders
  • Dependence of external variables

4. What are your house views on the Pharma Industry five years down the line, where is it headed?

While unbranded export markets have been and continue to be hard to predict, we have invested mostly in the domestic healthcare consumption story. FY10-FY20 data suggests that Indian pharmaceutical market grows at 1.6x GDP growth for the country (Source: AIOCD, World Bank). Barring hospitals, other segments of healthcare are by and large privatized and hence we expect the private sector in healthcare to exhibit double digit top line growth over the next few years

Government initiatives like Ayushman Bharat, PLI schemes and capital expenditure allocated for primary healthcare centres will also help improve the quantum and quality of growth of healthcare in India

5. The Pharma sector has clearly come out of a long bear market, and its mean reversion story seems to have already played out. What do you see as the key drivers going ahead – especially if you take a view that the worst of the pandemic is now behind us?

We slightly disagree with the premise of the question. The larger pharma companies that had and have high exposure to unbranded export markets like US saw an extra-ordinary high profitable growth in 2010-15.

This benefit was not accrued to many of those small and midcap pharma companies that are focussed on domestic and other unregulated markets. Since the US market is unbranded and there is low barrier to entry, and the high profitability of the existing large cap players in US in 2015 attracted multiple competitors. These competitors essentially destroyed prices in US to gain market share and that caused the mean reversion in profitability of the larger pharma companies between 2016-19

Although price erosion in select products in US remains elevated, on an overall market basis, price erosion has normalised to low single digits.

Key drivers for growth in unbranded generics would be new launches and niche products which give limited window of opportunity for players to gain high cash flows and margins. Hence, for the pharma companies that are US focused, temporary blips and increases in margins and cash flows will be a common phenomenon going ahead. We are relatively more optimistic on pharma companies that are focused on branded generic markets like India. We believe that the domestic market is more secular and growing more profitably vs unbranded export markets.

There is a common misperception that pharma companies benefitted from sales of CoVid related products. We believe that CoVid adversely impacted sales of acute products in the domestic market. Acute drugs are those drugs which are primarily prescribed to patients for a 1 to 5 day course. These ailments often happen when people are exposed to the environment outside their homes. Since in CoVid, most of the population stayed indoors for prolonged periods of time, the acute sales for pharma companies were adversely impacted.

Hence, we believe that domestic focused pharma companies and hospitals are more of a CoVid recovery play than a beneficiary of CoVid. Further, CoVid related sales were more significant for only a handful of companies that had a drug portfolio which was prescribed under CoVid. A significant portion of our holdings in InCred Healthcare PMS are those companies which had little to zero CoVid related sales. Hence, in our view, the best for most of our holdings lies ahead of us and the temporary disruption caused in their business due to CoVid is largely behind, unless we experience another severe wave of CoVid.

6. What will be the initial allocation across market caps when you cast your first portfolio?

We do not allocate capital based on the market cap of a company. We analyse business model and sustainability of cash flows. If the company passes the muster of our time-tested framework and valuations are reasonable, we allocate capital accordingly. However, as most of the large caps in Indian pharma companies are largely US focused businesses, we find ourselves largely allocating more capital to small and midcaps (which are more branded businesses) and less of large caps.

As of now, we have about 22% allocation to large caps (vs ~60% in the index) and balance in small and mid-caps.

7. For HNI investors, what makes more sense: core diversified PMS or sectorial based PMS?

In our view, a healthcare portfolio is also a diversified defensive portfolio and not sectoral per se. The business models of US focused pharma companies, India focused pharma companies, API manufacturers, CRAMS, hospitals and diagnostics are all unique and different variables impact these models differently. Hence, we believe as a consistent compounder, the InCred Healthcare PMS, should be a core holding in any client’s portfolio

8. What is your experience with HNI investors’ behaviour in your pharma PMS: do they come in only for tactical plays or are they willing to commit long term money?

Since the inception of our portfolio in Feb 2021, we haven’t seen any withdrawals and have seen regular top ups by existing clients. However, that is too short a time period to infer anything on investor behaviour. In my previous roles in managing a similar fund, I had seen investors generally being longer term investors as once they invest, they realise the benefits of the product in terms of consistent returns with low volatility.

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Vijay Gomatam

Consultant – Investment Banking

Vijay Gomatam has over 20 years of banking experience across M&A, corporate finance, capital markets, and corporate banking, with a strong focus on cross-border deal origination and execution across India, Southeast Asia, Japan, and Australia. He has deep sector expertise in industrials, IT services, media, and telecom, with extensive experience in India - Southeast Asia and India–Japan transactions. Vijay previously served as Director at MUFG Bank, Singapore, where he led the India - Japan M&A corridor, and earlier worked with Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, Houlihan Lokey, and Edelweiss Alternative Asset Advisors.

His transaction experience includes Motherson Group’s acquisition of TSE-listed Yachiyo Industries, Takahata India’s stake sale to SPRL, Toppan Form’s acquisition of PT RDS in Indonesia, Mitsui’s investment in FKS Food & Agri, CVC’s investment in PT LinkNet, and capital market transactions for Southeast Asian media and telecom clients including SingTel, Axiata, and Bakrie Group.

He holds an MBA from IIM Calcutta and a B.E. (Hons.) from Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

Akbar Khan

Senior Advisor – Investment Banking

Akbar Khan has over twenty years of experience across M&A advisory, Private Equity, and Corporate M&A, along with a decade as an entrepreneur and operator. He has held senior roles at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in India and London, where he led Telecom & Technology Investment Banking, Private Equity coverage, and M&A, and at General Electric, where he served as Head of Corporate Development and M&A for India and the MENA region. He has advised global corporates and financial sponsors including Reuters Plc, Telecom Italia, Hellenic Telecom, MTN, Tata Group, Apax Partners, Warburg Pincus, and TA Associates, and has led several notable transactions. These include advising E2E Networks on

its USD 50M capital raise, QuEST Global on its USD 75M Series B private placement to Warburg Pincus, Rain Technologies on its USD 65M Series A financing from QED Investors and Invus, Augnito.ai on its Pre-Series A raise from Apollo Hospitals Group, Tata Consultancy Services on the acquisition of Citigroup’s captive back-office unit, Forthnet in Greece on the acquisition of Netmed, and Telecom Italia on the sale of Cosmote via a leveraged buyout by Apax Partners and TPG.

In addition, Akbar co-founded and served as CEO of Rain Technologies India an earned wage access fintech platform.

He holds an MBA from London Business School and is a UK-qualified Chartered Accountant.

Shreyan ML

Managing Director – Healthcare & Pharma

Shreyan ML leads the healthcare and pharma investment banking practice and brings over 15 years of experience across investment banking, corporate M&A, and management consulting within the pharmaceutical sector. Prior to joining MAPE, he worked with Spark Capital, Strides Group, Wanbury Limited, and Tata Strategic Management Group.

His deal experience includes advising Curatio Healthcare on the sale of its business to Torrent Pharmaceuticals; Sale of TTK’s human pharma business to Bharat Serums; Glenmark Pharmaceuticals on the sale of the Razel brand to KKR-backed JB Chemicals & Pharma and the sale of nine dermatology brands to Eris Oaknet.

As Corporate M&A Head at Strides Group, he was involved in thesale of Agila to Mylan and led the animal health strategy at Sequent Scientific, executing over 12 transactions including fundraises and cross-border acquisitions.

He holds an MBA from IIM Indore and is a computer engineer from NIT Karnataka.

Arjun Mukherjee

Managing Director – Investment Banking

Arjun Mukherjee brings over 20 years of investment banking experience, with a strong focus on mergers & acquisitions and capital raising across Industrials, Education, Telecom, Cement, and Healthcare sectors. Prior to joining InCred Capital, he was part of the senior leadership team at MAPE Advisory Group for over a decade and has previously worked with Lazard, Ambit Capital, and Macquarie Capital.

His deal experience includes advising Veranda Learning on multiple acquisitions and its IPO, Emami on its bid for Paras Pharma, HeidelbergCement on the acquisitions of Mysore Cement and Indo Rama Cement, Italcementi on the acquisition of Sri Vishnu Cement along with an open offer, Bharti Airtel on the acquisitions of Hexacom India and the Spice Calcutta circle, as well as the sale of NLD rights to VSNL, Advent on its bid for Lafarge India.

He has also advised Jagdale Industries on the sale of its electrolyte drinks brand to Johnson & Johnson, promoters of Orissa Sponge on stake sales to Bhushan Steel and Monnet Ispat and on takeover defence, Fortis Healthcare on takeover defence and the sale of a minority stake to Khazanah, ICI India on the sale of its Nitrocellulose business to Actis and its rubber chemicals business, Jai Balaji Industries on the sale of its DI pipe unit and on QIP fund raising, Orbit Corporation and Ansal APIL on QIP-led equity fund raises, Walton Street Capital on raising a USD 500 million India-focused real estate fund, and on acquisition debt funding for the purchase of the RL Fine Chem API business.

Ashish Ambwani

Managing Director – Investment Banking

Ashish Ambwani has two decades of investment banking experience with a focus on cross-border M&A and Private Equity, and deep sector expertise across Consumption &Retail, Industrials and Digital businesses. He previously served as Director at Lazard for over 12 years and began his career at KPMG.

He has worked on numerous transactions including Osam Dairy’s sale to Dodla Dairy, Livpure’s capital raise from M&G Investments, QIMA’s acquisition of EFRAC Limited, Raymond Consumer Care’s FMCG sale to Godrej Consumer, IPO of Ethos Limited, Manohar Packaging’s sale to Parksons Packaging, MM Polytech’s sale to Huhtamaki, YY Inc.’s acquisition of Bigo, Kama Ayurveda’s fund raise and sale to Puig, Magnet360’s sale to Mindtree, Danone’s acquisition of Wockhardt nutrition assets, UCB’s sale of Indian brands to Dr Reddy’s, Sabero Organics’ sale to Coromandel, International Paper on its acquisition of AP Paper, Avantor on its acquisition of RFCL.

He holds an MBA from IIM Lucknow and a has a degree in Electrical & Electronics Engineering from NIT Trichy.

Jacob Mathew

Consultant- Investment Banking

Jacob Mathew brings over 25 years of experience in investment banking, private equity, and fundraising. He co-founded MAPE Advisory, a boutique investment bank focused on mid-market companies. Prior to MAPE, he was a Vice President (M&A) at Merrill Lynch India and played a key role in setting up the corporate finance practice at PwC India.

He has worked and led numerous transactions including the acquisition of Coats Viyella’s garment business by the AV Birla Group, the sale of Burnol and Coldarin brands, Dr Reddy’s buyout of American Remedies, and the sale of Diamond Dychem to Ciba AG. At MAPE, he led transactions across technology, telecommunications, consumer, healthcare, and retail sectors. His key clients include Coffee Day Enterprises, Strides, Igarashi Motors, J&J India, and Jyothi Labs.

He holds a PGDM from IIM Calcutta and is a Civil Engineer.

M Ramprasad

Consultant – Investment Banking

M Ramprasad has over 25 years of experience across investment banking, private equity, and fundraising. He co-founded MAPE Advisory, a boutique Indian investment bank focused on mid-market companies, which later merged with the Investment banking team at InCred in 2020. Prior to MAPE, he was a Senior Vice President at Merrill Lynch India, leading South India operations.

He has led marquee transactions for leading business groups including Tata Group, DuPont, ICICI Bank, Dr Reddy’s, and Sify, and at MAPE advised on landmark deals across manufacturing, infrastructure, and financial services. His key clients include Murugappa Group, ELGi Equipments, Curatio, Jyothi Labs, Karvy Financial Group, Star Health, and CRH Group.

He holds a PGDM from BIM Trichy and a degree in Chemistry.

Sanjay Singh

Head of Investment Banking – InCred Capital

Sanjay Singh is the Head of Investment Banking at InCred Capital, where he leads coverage across both advisory and equity capital markets. He brings over 20 years of experience across investment banking, strategy, and operations, with deep expertise in the pharmaceuticals and healthcare sectors.

Prior to joining InCred, he held leadership roles at BDA Partners as Head of India and Co-Head of Healthcare Asia, and at KPMG as Partner and Head of Life Sciences in India. He has also worked with Dr. Reddy’s Laboratories and Glenmark Pharmaceuticals.

His transaction experience includes advising Chemfield Cellulose on its divestment to Oji Holdings, Archimica S.p.A. on its acquisition by PI Industries, Synokem Pharmaceuticals on growth investment from TA Associates, Isagro SpA on the divestment of Isagro Asia Agrochemicals to PI Industries, SMT on its equity raise from Morgan Stanley Private Equity, Astec LifeSciences on the sale of equity to Godrej Agrovet and Nihon Nohyaku on its acquisition of Hyderabad Chemical Limited amongst others.

Sanjay holds an MBA from IIM Bangalore and a B Tech from IIT BHU.